Divorced People

Ep. 3 Heather Gray: When the Math Doesn’t Math Anymore

Heather Gray is about 6 years past her divorce. She has brilliant clarity on why it was the right call, how to do better in her second marriage, and the worst part of it all (not seeing her kids all the time). There was no wild infidelity, no dramatic addiction, none of the storylines we like to see as 'excuses' for divorce, but for Heather the math just didn't add up anymore for what the marriage took versus what it gave. 
Heather has long been a divorce role model of mine, and I'm so humbled by her act of story-sharing here. Please enjoy this window into the divorce, remarriage, and rebirth journey of Heather Gray. 
 
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Ep. 2 Maggie Smith: Honesty, Integrity, and Endurance in the Messy Middle

Poet, and now memoirist, Maggie Smith has made the messy middle of her divorce into a stunning and captivating piece of art: You Could Make This Place Beautiful, her newest book. Maggie's marriage began its formal ending in 2018, and she has been processing the experience in so many ways, including some of my favorite writings on the topic. (I give her book "Keep Moving" to loads of new clients who are in the roughest starts of their journeys and her Modern Love column took my breath away in the earliest days of my own separation)
Listen as Maggie and I discuss marriage culture, wedding culture, small town culture, and why she is suspicious of the "before and after" transformation narrative. Maggie inspires the hell out of me when it comes to "the messy middle" of divorce, before there is a shiny new healed version of life, and also about just being radically, beautifully honest about... everything. This conversation just scratches the surface of what Maggie shares in her stunning book, so please get your hands on a copy of it. It's truly a gift and so are you, Maggie Smith!
 
New book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/You-Could-Make-This-Place-Beautiful/Maggie-Smith/9781982185855 
The gorgeous poem, Good Bones, that took Maggie's work viral: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/89897/good-bones
Modern Love piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/style/modern-love-end-of-marriage-google-maps.html 

Ep.1 Karen McMahon: Divorced Person, Divorce Guru

Karen McMahon is the founder of Journey Beyond Divorce, a podcast and divorce coaching practice, and Karen has seen some sh%t! Karen is wise and kind and fun and funny and we had a blast sharing her long, incredibly difficult, and ultimately triumphant story.
Karen began her divorce process 20 years ago, and is just now sharing her story for the first time in such detail. We talk about what it looked like to raise her children from elementary school-age through their early adulthood, how to make the big big leap to leave, mantras for the times of self-doubt, and lots about the transformative power of tough times. 
 
You can find Karen and her podcast at:
https://www.jbddivorcesupport.com/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/journey-beyond-divorce-podcast/id1261400624 
https://www.instagram.com/journey_beyond_divorce/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwBFif3L2M_Zn3lxl8AU8og

Intro to Divorced People

Welcome to the Divorced People podcast. A story-telling podcast about what really happens in marriage and divorce, featuring the actual bravest and wisest people. Full episodes coming soon.